And yes, I have been happily cleansing my hair sans shampoo for almost 3 and a half years now. Going "no poo" seems to be all the rage in both eco and frugal circles these days, but I've read numerous accounts of people who've tried it for a while and then run into trouble and thrown in the towel.
So I figured I'd give y'all a quick run down of what works for me. Thanks to Amy over at Money 4 This Not 4 That for encouraging me to post this stuff. Before I start I just want to point out that I'm by no means an expert. In fact, I'm just some random person who is writing about her own experiences, so please remember that this is free advice that you got on the internet, from a woman who really has no clue what she's talking about, so take that into consideration when making decisions about your own beauty routines.
Anyhow, lest my actual system get totally lost in my blathering drivel, I figured I'd give it to you up front.
So here's what works for me:
- Step 1: Wash with a mild baking soda solution. My solution is 2 tablespoons of baking soda with 500 ml of water and I use about half a cup per wash.
- Step 2: Rinse thoroughly
- Step 3: Apply citric acid solution to hair. My solution is mixed at the same strength as the baking soda... 2 tablespoons of citric acid powder in 500 ml of water, and I also use about half a cup. Please note: citric acid stings like words even I won't say if you get it in your eyes, so use some caution here.
- Step 4: Using a fine toothed comb, comb hair thoroughly (at least 100 strokes per side) with the acid solution on it. You'll probably notice some gray colored gunk coming out in the teeth of the comb. I generally keep combing until the gunk either stops or I get tired of it (whichever comes first.)
- Step 5: Rinse thoroughly
- Step 6: Rub a few drops of jojoba oil into the hair, avoiding the scalp area. Comb in and let sit for about 5 minutes
- Step 7: Rinse thoroughly
- Step 8: When out of the tub wrap hair in terry cloth towel for about 5 mintues
- Step 9: Comb with wide toothed comb
- Step 10: Take about an eighth of a teaspoon of coconut oil and rub it between your palms until it turns liquid. Work it into the ends of your hair with a scrunching motion. Continue scrunching hair until it curls nicely.
- Step 11: Let hair air dry
OK... so that's my system, now for the blathering part.
It seems that over the years I have amassed a huge amount of info, scientific data and/or wive's tales about various methods and recipes, and to tell the truth, I could sort of write a novel on this topic. And looking back at this post, it would seem that my brain was more clogged with anecdotes and semi-useless bits of info than I realized, so I apologize for the lengthy nature of this post!
Anyhow, since I don't think most people will want to wade through all if this, I've tried to blather in sections so if anybody comes here looking for info they'll have some prayer of finding what they're looking for.
Basic Information and Quick Troubleshooting Guide
OK... so your scalp, like the rest of your skin has sebaceous glands which produce an oily/waxy substance called sebum.We've got these glands all over our bodies, but there are more of them on our scalps and faces than any place else. All mammals produce sebum, and it's basically the stuff that helps to make the hair/fur waterproof.
The sebum is sticky and waxy, and tends to make your hair hang together in clumps, especially when you've got too much of it. Now, most people in the "no poo" movement believe that modern shampoos, by stripping the scalp of it's normal sebum, sort of trick it into thinking that it needs to produce more, and thus, we have an over production of the stuff. I've never seen any scientific evidence for this "over production" theory, and my medically inclined friends think it's nonsense, but I have noticed that as the years have gone by I need to wash my hair less and less. Not sure if I'm actually producing less sebum, or if my standards are just getting lower... either is a possibility!
At any rate, the goal here is to remove enough of the sebum so your hair looks clean, but leave enough in place to keep your hair healthy and shiny. Sounds easy enough, but I found that getting to the right amount of sebum was a somewhat tricky proposition.
Anyhow, the signs of having too much sebum are pretty obvious. Your hair will look oily, though it often feels sticky and heavy. The other common problem that people have with the "no-poo" method is a build up of a soap scum like material from the baking soda. When you've got a build up of scum, the hair tends to look dull, and feel almost brittle or crunchy. A more acidic rinse will help both problems, but if you're experiencing too much sebum a better brushing routine can be helpful, and if you've got a scum build up, you might want to try using less baking soda.
Thoughts on Motivation
Many people decide to forego shampoo for a variety of reasons. Some want to save money, some have environmental concerns, and some don't want to be exposed to the chemicals lurking in the seemingly harmless bottle of shampoo. While these are all noble rationales for abstaining, I fear my own personal motivation was a tad bit less um... lofty.
And to tell the truth, there were some real ugly patches along the way, so I'm not entirely sure I would have stuck with it if I was simply acting out a do-gooder impulse. But fortunately, my motivation was much more personal and banal.
Motivating factor number one: Allergies. As the world's most allergic human, I had developed a strange, barely visible rash which my doctor diagnosed as nummular eczema. Seriously folks, I wouldn't wish this stuff on my worst enemy, it itched so bad that it sort of made me want to rip my skin off. The doctor said I basically just had to live with it, and gave me Prednisone cream. The cream helped a bit, but then I had developed a case of chronic hives, and at that point I decided to take matters into my own hands. After some internet research I concluded that part of the problem might be my habit of soaking for hours in a hot tub, which, when I washed my hair meant subjecting my skin to what essentially amounts to a chemical detergent.
Motivating factor number two: my hair looked like shit.
I had greasy oily roots, a wavy OK looking middle section, and ends that stuck out like straw. I tried every commercial product under the sun and was pretty much at my wits end. They say that vanity will get you nowhere, but in my case, this turned out not to be true.
Silicones
So, when I first decided to try not using shampoo, I had no idea that there were other crazy people out there doing this too. I was actually surfing channels late at night and an infomercial for some non-shampoo hair product called Wen came on. Normally I wouldn't subject myself to something like an infomercial, but this one featured Melissa Gilbert, and as a life long fan of Little House on the Prairie, I'd watch just about anything with Melissa Gilbert in it.
Anyhow, there was no way I was gonna shell out some ungodly sum of money for this product, but the concept that perhaps it wasn't healthy to wash out all of the natural oils, and that shampoo wasn't actually necessary for life ingrigued me.
So I decided that instead of paying for some fancy system that wasn't shampoo, I'd just try rinsing my hair with water and see what happened. And the result was... complete and total disgusting disaster!
I'm sure that there were many factors contributing to the total fail I experienced first time out of the shoot, but one of the big ones was silicones. Apparently most modern conditioners and styling products contain ingredients that are made from silicone. Since modern shampoos strip hair of its natural oils and sebum, the silicones coat each shaft of hair and basically do the job that the sebum otherwise would. The problem is that they don't allow any of the natural oils to absorb into the hair shaft, so you end up having to wash and condition every day... which is great for the people selling shampoo and conditioner, but not so great if you want to get out of the cycle of daily washing.
Well, in my vain attempts (ha ha) to get my straw like ends to behave, I had been using just about every leave-in conditioner, curling gel and any other product I could think of... all of which contained a hefty dose of silicone. If you look at the label, anything ending in "zane" "xane" "cone" or "conol" is a silicone ingredient, and since most aren't water soluble, they probably won't just rinse out.
Sooooo, if you've been using products with silicones in them, you should do a clarifying wash with a non-silicone containing sulfate shampoo before you start this process. Pretty much any cheap basic shampoo should do the trick (pretty much all shampoos these days have sulfates in them). Once I got my silicones washed out, the process went a LOT smoother.
Why your Water Matters
Apparently, not all water is created equal when it comes to its ability to get things clean. I'm not scientific enough to explain this all in detail, but my kindergarten level understanding is that the harder the water, the worse job it does. Basically, hard water is water that has a lot of minerals dissolved in it - mostly calcium and magnesium, and it causes soap scum to form instead of lather, which causes all soap related cleansers (see the baking soda section) to clean less effectively. In fact, I read somewhere in my travels that when detergents were first introduced, one of their main selling points was that they cleaned just as well in hard water as soft.
Anyhow, I believe that the harder your water is, the stronger acid rinse you need to use. I think lots of things can contribute to the hardness of your water including where you live, the time of year, and the age of the pipes in your home. Here's a water hardness map of the US (from the United States Geological Survey) to give you a general idea:
If you'll notice, Denver is right smack dab in the middle of hard water country, so this may explain why I had such a hard time finding something acidic enough to work for me. This is just a guess, and I know every head of hair is different, but I kind of think that variations in water hardness might have something to do with why people report such different results when trying to go "no poo." My guess is that people in hard water areas have difficulties right off the bat, while people in soft water areas generally experience great results at first, and then succumb to a build up of sebum and scum as time wears on. That's just a guess though.
Thoughts on Baking Soda
OK, here's what I know about baking soda, or sodium bicarbonate as it's also called. It has a ph of 9 putting it on the alkaline or base side of the scale (7 is neutral.) Now, if you know anything about soap, you might recall that soap is generally made by mixing some sort of oil or fat with lye, which has a ph of about 13 making it very alkaline. Soooo, the way baking soda works to clean your hair is by actually mixing with the oils on your scalp and forming a very mild soap of sorts.
Anyhow, I tried borax and had a really hard time getting the stuff to dissolve in water. I've also read some reports that it might be somewhat toxic, so I decided to stick with baking soda.
At any rate, knowing that the goal was to make "scalp soap" helped me figure out how much to use. I'm sure the necessary concentration will vary according to a bunch of factors, including the hardness of your water (see above) but when I get it right, it actually starts to feel slippery or soapy. If I've been really lazy and haven't washed my hair for a week or more, making it more greasy, I can sometimes swear that it actually makes a very light lather.
Acid Rinse Issues
OK, so the point of rinsing with something acidic is two fold. First of all, when you use any soap based cleanser, and baking soda counts as soap based for our purposes, you're gonna get at least some degree of soap scum.
The scum is actually a type of salt left over from when the soap reacts with minerals in the water (hence, the harder the water, the more scum). Acids will dissolve the salts and minerals and help to remove this scum or buildup. Acids will also cut through grease and wax, so they do a good job of helping to dissolve and remove excess sebum. You don't want to mix your baking soda (base) with your acid however, because this will cause them to react with each other rather than to actually clean your hair.
Now I'm sure that most people out there who have heard of "no poo" have been told that they should wash with baking soda and rinse with a diluted apple cider vinegar solution.
I tried the ACV approach, and, to be honest, it really didn't work for me. First of all, I couldn't stand the smell. They all say that the smell goes away once it dried, but according to the nose of CatMan, this is not true. It also didn't seem to leave my hair shiny and smooth like it's supposed to, especially when diluted.
Sooo... I tried lemon juice. It worked OK, but had several disadvantages, the main one being that you have to keep it in the refrigerator. I seriously can't count the number of times I'd be settling into a nice hot bath, only to realize that I'd forgotten the lemon juice again! I sort of got tired of streaking through the house to get it and then pouring ice cold liquid on my head. Lemon juice can also bleach your hair and/or turn it a reddish color. As a strawberry blonde, neither of these things was really a concern for me, and I never noticed any change in the color of my hair, but I still didn't have that nice smooth shiny feel like people claimed.
So, I decided that perhaps since we have really hard water, I just needed something stronger. At that point I switched to straight, undiluted distilled white vinegar and FINALLY my hair started working. It actually stopped feeling sticky and crunchy and started being really nice, smooth, shiny and soft. Hooray! I still couldn't stand the smell so I'd mix some essential oils in with the vinegar and while this helped, I still felt like a walking Easter Egg, but at least my hair looked better.
And then came the attack of the yellow jackets... I suddenly started getting stung right and left. Then, after getting 3 stings at once, my whole leg swelled up like a sweet potato and I had to be put on steroids. I couldn't figure out what was going on, and in doing research I found out that vinegar is used in wasp traps because they're attracted to the smell! OY!
At this point I actually got so discouraged that I tried going back to shampoo... once. I washed my hair, got out of the tub and within about 20 minutes was totally covered with hives again! Soooo... back to the acid drawing board.
I tried vitamin C powder, and it worked OK, but not as good as the vinegar had. The solution also tended to turn a funny brown color after a day or two, and since I had read an article about the dangers of using rancid vitamin C in skin applications, I decided it wasn't gonna work.
Then CatMan suggested citric acid. It's used as a preservative in most commercial shampoos and conditioners, it's odorless, and comes in a powder form so you can mix it to the strength that you need. Finally!!!
It totally worked and I'm very, VERY happy with the results! You can usually buy citric acid wherever you get supplies for canning and preserving. I actually got a big 5 pound bag on Amazon.com for not much money.
Thoughts on Brushing
Now, many people who do the "no poo" thing go all out and use a water only method. The first 6 months that I tried this, I somehow decided that this was the goal, and... well, it pretty much made me miserable. The basic plan with water only washing is that you just wash your hair with water to remove any dirt etc, and then after it dries you brush thoroughly to remove the excess sebum. It works best if you use a natural fiber brush like boar's hair or, if your hair is thicker, a wooden bristle brush.
The theory is that it both removes the excess sebum (because it sticks to the bristles of the brush) and it also helps to move the oils and sebum down the hair shaft to distribute it evenly and make your hair evenly "moisturized".
Soooo... I got a wooden bristle brush and I brushed... and I brushed... and I brushed. I'm not sure if it was because of the hard water, or if I just have a particularly sebumy scalp, but I would literally brush for hours a day and it still felt like my hair was glued to my scalp. In about an hour's time, I'd generally have a ball of sebum about the size of a large marble that I'd scraped off the brush bristles, but my hair still felt like it was waxed to my head. And my scalp was literally raw from all of the brushing...
So, after about 6 months I decided I'd never make it as a purist, and devised my own system. My hair tangles easily, so I generally keep a plastic comb in the bathtub and use it to comb in whatever I'm using in my hair. One day I was combing in my acid rinse, and noticed a bunch of gunk coming off on the comb.
I believe this gunk is some combination of sebum, baking soda residue, and dead scalp skin (lovely thought, I know). Anyhow, I discovered that the combination of the acid rinse and the combing really helps to get rid of the extra sebum and remove any sticky feeling. I actually read about one system that involves using a washcloth on the wet hair instead of a comb... I tried it for a while, but combing seemed to work better.
Anyhow, I know some people say that you should never comb your hair when it's wet because it can easily break, but I found that much less hair comes out with this method than with the hours and hours of brushing that I tried before, And I really found that the combination of the strong acid and the physical combing was what I needed to get the sebum down to manageable levels.
Adding extra Oils
After about 18 months without shampoo or other hair care products, I started to notice that my hair was feeling a tad bit dry and prone to static. It may be that I've done too good of a job of removing the sebum... I don't know. At any rate, I found people on the web using all sorts of oils as a hair conditioner. The one that really worked for me was jojoba oil.
Apparently it's actually more of a wax than an oil and will soak into the hair shaft in much the same way that our natural sebum does. I use a tiny bit (like a few drops) and avoid getting it near my scalp. It leaves my hair shiny and soft. Jojoba can be a tad bit pricey, but since I use it instead of lotion for my skin, I buy it in bulk on eBay.
If the ends still look a bit dry, or don't seem to be curling well, I use a bit of coconut oil on them.
I also LOVE how the coconut oil smells! I'm not sure how the oils help to make it curl, but they sure seem to do the trick.
OK!!! So there it is... everything you never wanted to know about hair care without shampoo. I hope someone, somewhere, sometime finds something useful in this excruciatingly long brain dump.
If not, at least I've kept you out of trouble for an hour or two!
So how about you? Have you tried no poo? What did or didn't work for you?
























I am one of those who tried it and went back to shampoo. I used baking soda and vinegar and it worked just fine, my hair stayed cleaner longer. I went back to the shampoo for the simple reason that I just didn't enjoy putting cold baking soda and water on my head and then cold vinegar (our bathroom stays cool). Plus the gritty-ness of the baking soda just doesn't make you feel good like sudsing up your hair with shampoo. I know, not good reasons at all but it was my reason. I just got sick of the cold gritty feeling in my hair.
ReplyDeleteHmmm... well, first of all, I'm not a no poo evangelist, so I don't really think that everybody needs to do this. But if the baking soda felt gritty you were probably using WAY too much. It should be completely dissolved in the water.
DeleteI share the cold icky thing though... if I weren't so lazy I'd mix up just enough for that washing and do it with warm water! :~)
Another no-poo-er here. I'm still with the baking soda solution followed with dilute vinegar. I keep them both in a spray bottle, which mitigates the cold water on head feeling. My hair doesn't get oily-feeling like it used to, but it does begin to stand up in vaguely intimidating ways.
ReplyDeleteThe over-production theory makes sense to me, not in some DNA-changing way, but day-to-day. Like, you pour the SLS on your head and strip the sebum off, and the cells go WHOA! MORE SEBUM! so then you have to wash it out the next day, etc.
I avoid borax because we are usually letting our graywater run onto the ground, and borax will kill plants.
I have been seen rubbing some cornstarch into my scalp in-between no-poos.
For people (like Becky) who don't want the sulfates but love suds, I suggest some nice SLS-free shampoo. I like Organix, and it's available at the Evil Empire.
Disclaimer: I don't have to go out into the world! So, my standards are lower and I don't work as hard to tweak my system. Still, I like it much better than using conventional sulfate-containing shampoos.
Roxanne
The Good Luck Duck
Hmmm... the spray bottle is an interesting idea, but my hair is so long and thick that I'd probably give myself tendinitis trying to spray out enough of it!
DeleteI'm a big fan of low standards! :~)
This is really the answer to my prayers! I've been trying to research as much as possible before I make the plunge to go shampoo-free. Quick question though: I have a sensitive scalp that flakes and becomes inflamed when irritated. Would citric acid be okay to use on my head? Great article by the way :)
ReplyDeleteHmmm... that's a good question, and I'm not sure of the answer. What I've read is that some amount of acidity is good for the skin. But, really, I wouldn't take my advice on it if I were you! I do know that it hurts pretty good if you get it in your eyes, but it's also the stuff they put in soda pop to give it a tart flavor, so it's not like it's a substance you wouldn't come in contact with otherwise.
DeleteYou might want to start with a much weaker solution and see how strong you need to make it. If you have softer water and/or a less oily scalp than I do, you may not need nearly as much as I use.
Good luck and let me know what does or doesn't work for you!
Ha! I should read all of the comments before I start to reply! You might want to look at what Misty wrote below... the part about the natural ph of skin being acidic... I think that's what I was remembering when I said the thing about acidity being good for your skin.
DeleteI believe lemon juice is about a 2.5 and vinegar is about 3.5. I think the ph of the citric acid totally depends on how strong you mix it. Hope that helps!
Very interesting post. Here are some thoughts from a licensed cosmetologist, if anyone is interested...1) baking soda mixed w/water is often recommended by stylists (frugal stylists, LOL) for removing excess product & buildup from hair. It will basically strip your hair shaft with the abrasiveness and it will raise the cuticle as well (bad for an end result but fine for this purpose when the hair is wet and carrying a negative charge and is about to be closed again). My warning about this would be for anyone with color-treated hair; it's also recommended for lightening bad color jobs. 2) Re: the citric acid/vinegar/lemon....all highly acidic. When you open the cuticle, you ideally want to close it again when you finish your routine. Much better for the health of your hair. Professional conditioners are lower in pH for exactly this purpose, and that's part of what makes your hair feel smoother. I used to recommend a vinegar/water mix in a spray bottle for frustrated moms with little girls with that baby fine hair that tangled so easily. Spraying w/vinegar water slams the cuticle shut, eliminating a lot of the tangling issue. So essentially, you've mastered the science here - force the cuticle open and then slam it shut again. 3) The natural pH of hair (and skin, btw) is 4.5-5.5, so acidic. Professional products are all within that range, or lower if it's a conditioner. We did pH testing on a TON of products in beauty school; commercial products are scary - saw some 13's. Nothing lower than a 10 from commercial products, if I remember right. All the pro products we tested were within the limits, which honestly amazed me. Also, commercial labeling requires the key ingreds only to be listed; professional products are legally required to list every. single. ingredient. So if you are allergic to something, it may or may not be in a bottle of commercial shampoo and it may or may not be listed. If it's in a bottle of professional shampoo, it will be listed.
ReplyDeleteI really sympathize with the hives and itching issues; I have had hives once, and it left a lasting impression on me. Even with professional shampoos I occasionally buy one on sale that has a fragrance in it that leaves me with tiny red blisters so there are sensitivity issues even with pro shampoos. I've figured out roughly what works for me and since I'm licensed, I can buy on sale, in bulk and at cost, and limit how much I use and shampoo every other day. All of this makes it extremely rea$onable for me to keep doing what I'm doing. That being said, I have contemplated using coconut oil on my ends, sparingly, so I was really interested to read that. I use it sparingly on dry patches on my face and hands in the winter and it works wonderfully.
One last thought - combing or picking through wet hair is fine. Brushing wet hair (which a surprising amount of people do) is what is very hard on it.
Good for you for figuring all this out and sticking with it to find a method that works for you.
Misty
Wow! Thanks for all that info! That's very interesting about the cuticle being opened and shut... I'm curious about the statement that baking soda opens it because of the abrasiveness. At the strength I'm mixing the baking soda solution, it's totally dissolved in the water, so there is no abrasiveness at all. I wonder if it still has the same effect.
DeleteAnyhow, that's very interesting about the different requirements for listing ingredients. I actually have some hypo-allergenic shampoo and conditioner that I bought during the wasp attack period, but since the citric acid has been working so well, I never tried it.
At some point when I feel like whining and feeling sorry for myself, I'll write up the nightmare story of how I had hives every single day for an entire year. But for the moment, I think I'll focus on other topics! :~)
Hives every day for a YEAR?? Oh my goodness; my heart just breaks for you :(
ReplyDeleteRE: the cuticle opening from the baking soda - in school they told us even half a teaspoon in shampoo and mixed w/water would "strip" the hair of chemicals, etc (we used to do this pre-perm for better results for people on meds)- so it takes very little to be abrasive, apparently. The cuticle on a hair shaft is like the scales on a fish. You want them slick and laying down tightly; when they are open, they literally stand up (and it makes the hair very porous). Very healthy hair will take FOREVER to dry naturally as the cuticle is slammed shut and retains the moisture. Damaged hair dries much faster due to porosity factors. Opening and closing the cuticle is also done chemically with perming - the waving solution opens it (or heat will open with an acid wave solution) and the neutralizer will close it.
Way TMI, sorry; hair is a passion of mine :)
Interesting... it does seem like my hair takes longer to dry these days. Perhaps that's a good sign. :)
DeleteAlso... the pH of baking soda is 8.2 - 8.4, which is alkaline; (had to look up the pH). So chemically it will open the hair shaft as well ;-)
ReplyDeleteA ha! So it's a chemical process as well as a physical one... that makes total sense.
DeleteGreat information from everyone. I love it. I also have loved using the baking soda, but I did run into problems. I implemented a few of the suggestions and I am a happy to say I am back to where my hair looks and feels awesome!!
ReplyDeleteHooray! I'm so glad it helped! And thanks for visiting!
DeleteWow, I think you've written a pretty comprehensive post on going no poo. I tried it for a few weeks, and while it worked fine at first, it started to work significantly less well by the end -- sticky, oily, and limp. Also, Kevin said that the smell of vinegar that lingered in my hair after the acid rinse made him feel queasy. (I didn't get any wasps, though!) So I went back to natural(ish) shampoo, though I'd be willing to do a baking soda wash every now and then to reduce my shampoo usage. I do find that combing a few drops of jojoba oil works as well or better than bothering with conditioner.
ReplyDeleteHi Jennifer,
DeleteWell... I'm not a purist in any sense of the word, so I don't think this is something everybody needs to do. But I'm heartened to know that I'm not the only person who could still smell the vinegar.
BTW - your blog has decided it doesn't like me. I've tried to comment several times and it won't take. I've had similar problems on other WordPress blogs too... don't know if Wordpress has decided that I'm an evil spammer or what. Just wanted you to know that I'm still reading even if there's no evidence of it! :)
I've read/heard that Dr. Bronner's castile soap (which I can buy in bulk at my Co-op) is an alternative to shampoo. I have used it for other things (handwashing clothes while on vacation) and it is supposedly quite gentle.
ReplyDeleteI have thick, coarse hair, so in general avoid frequent washing of my hair -- a move wholeheartedly endorsed by my cosmetologist.
I also just bought (an expensive) oil product to put some life back into it. It's nice, but I'm sure there are more frugal alternatives.
Hi Janeen!
DeleteI think I've read about some people using Dr. Bronner's. They also make "shampoo bars" which are essentially just soap. I tried some once, but it seemed to magnify the soap scum problem for me... but that may be because of the hard water.
I don't know much about oil treatments, but I remember using those Alberto V05 hot oil treatments eons ago... and come to think of it, my hair does sort of feel like it did after one of those.
I wash my hair with Mrs Meyer's lavender dish soap!
DeleteWell my best friend has hair down to her ankles (not exaggerating) and she uses Dawn dish washing detergent! So clearly there's more than one way to get your hair clean!
DeleteAlright, your post has inspired me to make some changes to my no poo routine. I'm curious about the citric acid -- it sounds a little dangerous, but I know the vinegar is also an acid, so my fear is probably not logical. I have to use A LOT of vinegar for good results, so maybe the citric acid would work better (and end up being cheaper and greener)?
ReplyDeleteMost of what I've read on curl care is anti-combing, brushing, etc., but the combing gunk out makes sense, so I'll give that a try for awhile.
On the baking soda, I read somewhere else to boil the baking soda + water for a few minutes first, which helped me. I also use a much weaker baking soda solution: 2 teaspoons per 500mL or so of water.
Hey Melissa,
DeleteWell, I seriously don't know much about the chemistry of this all... but vinegar contains acetic acid... that's about where my knowledge ends. When CatMan suggested citric acid he said that it is a simpler molecule... other reading I stumbled upon said that it was only one atom off from ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). What any of that means in practical terms, I couldn't say.
There's also apparently 2 types of citric acid... anhydrous and hydrous... hydrous having some water in it and anhydrous not. I think anhydrous is stronger, but the batch of powder that I got didn't specify which it was.
But it's used in literally EVERYTHING from canned food to cosmetics to cleansers... so I don't think it can be too dangerous.
In terms of combing/brushing... my hair is wavy not really curly, so I don't know how it will work for you. I generally have best luck if I thoroughly brush my hair (dry) right before washing it... makes it less tangled and easier to comb everything in. But I also think that the gunk isn't quite so noticeable in curly hair because you don't get the stuck to your scalp syndrome.
Boiling the baking soda is an interesting idea. I wonder how it's supposed to help... maybe just dissolving it more thoroughly? I'll ask the ubergeek (CatMan) if he can think of any chemical change that boiling it would make.
Anyhow... let me know how things do or don't work! :~)
Trying to catch up on long-neglected blog reading, which means I'm too lazy to read through all the comments. Shoot me if someone has already answered this.
ReplyDeleteIn all your research, did you see anything from folks who color their hair? I'm going to get mine done tomorrow and they are going to throw all kinds of toxic chemicals on it to make it something other than the dull, dried out fugly mess it is. I am in SoCal with the uber shitty water problem as well and have thick hair that sounds quite a bit like yours. I wonder if this method will work with colored hair or eff it up?
I keep saying this is something I want to do, mostly because I hate buying conditioner and shampoo. Yes, you can recycle the bottles, but how many have I used in my life? Just seems kind of ridiculous.
Hey Aldra,
DeleteWell I have ZERO experience with color treated hair (except for the time in jr. high when I decided I'd look better with jet black hair... but that's another story.)
Misty (AKA Desiderata) said in the comments above that she'd caution against it (guess I have to shoot you now) She seems to know what she's talking about though, so you might want to read her comments.
I did a quick Google search on "no poo color treated hair" and got a pile of conflicting answers, so... I guess I have no clue.
Let us know if you do decide to try it and what the results were!
Your results may vary, but baking soda is my own personal go-to rescue every time I don't like a color job. The time I decided to go Rene Russo red (The Thomas Crown Affair) and again when I decided to go Lorelai Gilmore deep dark brown, it saved my hide, LOL. Chemically, color molecules penetrate the hairshaft but baking soda will both chemically and physically lift the cuticle (outermost layer of the hair shaft, which is what is keeping the color "locked in"), which can (and will) cause bleeding/dilution of color. In my case, it lifted (diluted) the color several levels.
ReplyDeleteSOME of the color will of course be retained in the hair shaft. The tone will change though, and it will pull color. That's been my personal and professional experience. And because you would constantly be raising the cuticle every time you shampooed with baking soda, your results will not last nearly as long.
A "real life" example of this is someone with very dry, frizzy, damaged hair. The cuticle is raised in damaged hair. It has a very hard time holding moisture, protein or color - or a perm. Because the cuticle is always raised, it will suck up a color job like a sponge - probably will oversaturate/go too dark initially. And will probably grab color unevenly. But then there's the after effect - it will release the color very quickly and the person who just shelled out good money for a pro color job is left wondering why it didn't last. A raised cuticle is like an open door. You could counteract this with using a very acidic rinse, but as color particles are very large, when that door is opened every time you shampoo with baking soda - they will "come out." Diluting the effect. Quickly.
Cheaper commercial shampoos do the same thing - they are largely alkaline (we pH tested a ton of them in beauty school), which does the same thing as baking soda - it chemically opens the cuticle. This is why it's recommended that you use a professional shampoo with chemically processed hair - it chemically closes the cuticle if it's open or keeps it closed if it's in good condition as it's acidic, helping to retain the results you paid for. As I said in my previous post, pro products are legally required to be the same pH as hair and skin, which is acidic.
One last thought - we have well water, which is notoriously HARD - blech! And I use baking soda to - guess what? Strip the well water minerals out of my hair.
Not trying to push pro products here - I've been out of the business for quite awhile. Just trying to explain the chemistry :)
Misty
Holy Moly Misty! You are a font of information. Thanks so much for lending all of your expert knowledge on this subject!
DeleteDamn! That was some good info. Thank you so much! I'm in a weird panic about the color now, so...hmmmm...I feel like I just went to school and gots me some edumicashun.
ReplyDeleteWeird panic about the color itself or about shampooing it? If I can help, holler :)
ReplyDeleteMy apologies, Cat for turning your No Poo post into hair care advice. Just want to help Demandra protect her investment; hair color is expensive.
Misty
No apologies necessary! I'm thrilled you can help. :)
Delete300 years later, I respond. The current color is ass. Oh lord, I want to strangle that girl. Anyway, I'm too scattered and busy and am just going to put this no poo thing on the back burner. AGAIN. But one day, dammit! One day!
DeleteECL! You have been holding out on me! Who knew that YOU KNEW so very, very much about this complicated topic!? Seriously, write the book - post it on the internet, charge $5 for the e-book and you are in the CHIPS!!! As you may or may not remember, I gave the 'no poo' method a shot for about 6 months and my hair pretty much instantly turned into dreadlocks (as it does pretty much anytime I do anything cool - like spent a month on the beach or a summer camping in the woods). Oh! I am still thinking of your business plan - you could also make up 'kits' with all of said products and sell them with your book! Come to think of it, can I be your agent ;)
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your WEALTH of knowledge with the world of 'no pooers' -- if (okay WHEN) I decide to get back on that train, I will know who to call!
Ha! Actually, back when I had one of my previous blogs (before the crazy people tried to sue me because they thought my blog name was a trademark infringement - remember that fun little episode?) Anyhow, there's a little home grown market in Denver, and I made up a bunch of no poo kits and gave them away there as a promo for my blog (which became totally defunct within like a month of that).
DeleteSeriously, marketing no-poo kits and dealing with fallout from angry people when it didn't work for them, sound like WAY more PITA (pain in the a$$) than I'd be willing to put in! I think I'll just stick to the happy free information exchange!
The dreadlocks thing is totally puzzling...I'm guessing your system didn't involve a lot of brushing? :~)
I've been using the no poo method for a couple months now. My extemely oily hair and dry flakey scalp are gone, but my hair is left feeling waxy. I love that its made it thicker, and holds hair styles like no other, but the waxy feeling and finding the gray stuff (sebum?) in my brush has left me wondering what I'm doing wrong. I don't want to go back to shampoo, but I'm not even sure what direction to go now. I'm going to try a few of your methods, see if it helps w/ the waxy feeling. Thank you for posting it.
ReplyDeleteHi Dolly,
DeleteYup, waxy feeling and gray stuff sounds like sebum for sure! Try upping the acid and combing out the gunk in the shower - both of those things should help.
Good luck!
:)
Cat